Hi, my name is Katy Blommer and my passion is helping women learn how to put themselves first, I learned all the tools for success on my own 12 year journey that has led me to finally figuring out how to live my best life. My journey included overcoming body image issues, and yo yo dieting, climbing the corporate ladder to a multiple six figure career, navigating mom guilt through a 60 hour workweek turning around marriage issues, and much more. Now, I'm truly living my best life. And I've pretty much become obsessed with teaching others my tried and true methods for creating balance, maintaining healthy habits, improving your relationship, career development, and how to stop tying your value and worth, to the way you look and how you serve others. I'm so passionate about helping others learn this, that I created the working mom happiness method to help you get there too. So if you're ready to learn how to live your best life, pull up a chair or put on your walking shoes and get ready to dive in. This is the working mom happiness method podcast.
Okay, welcome to this episode of the working mom happiness method podcast. I am so excited today to have Megan Campbell joining me. And I'm very excited about this for two reasons. Number one, Meg, I call you, Meg, your Megan, but I call you, Meg. Meg is the very first person who signed up to take the working mom happiness method. And I can't believe this, but that was October of 2020. We're coming up on four years ago, which is wild. So I guess about three and a half years ago now that you took the program, but you were the very first person to sign up and back at that point, I didn't know if anybody would ever sign up. So I was so excited. When I got your call and you were you know, interested in you signed up to take the program. And so I'm excited to talk about that and talk about, you know how the program has helped you and change your life. But I'm honestly even more excited to talk about your book. Like you wrote a book. It's so huge. It's amazing. So Megan wrote a book. It's called with grace and gratitude. And then more of uncoupling co parenting and collective healing. And she probably won't say this about herself. But I consider Meg to be a really an expert on how to guide children through divorce in a healing way. And many other things related to, to divorce that I think many, many, many women and people are going to find so helpful. And so healing, so I'm excited to hear more about that. So welcome. Yeah, can't wait to just jump in and talk more. So first of all, Megan, why don't you just start by telling us just a little bit about yourself. And we'll just start there. And then we'll jump in. I have so many questions for you. I'm excited.
I am so excited to be here. Thanks so much, Katie. And for all your kind words. I'm excited to talk about the working mom happiness Method program. And I'm excited to talk about the book. I'm excited to talk about all of it. So yes, let's see, I am a mom, a working mom. I have three kids who I absolutely adore, I'm sure we will get into how I connected with Katie and started the program and how instrumental that was in kind of shaping, and really helping me feel present and connected with my kids. And this window of them still being young and at home. I have worked in education for the past about 15 years primarily in early childhood education, preschool taught kindergarten for many years. And then more recently, I currently work full time at Utah State University as a program coordinator for a graduate program in the Department of Psychology. Let's see. And then yes, I have very slowly written a book, a memoir of my divorce story.
Awesome. And can you just tell everybody a little bit about your education specifically, because I know you have degrees in these areas like that's I truly do think you're an expert, but I think that will be helpful.
Yes, so I have undergraduate undergraduate degrees in psychology, elementary, and deaf education, and then my master of education in school counseling. Love
that. Okay, thank you. All right. So why don't we start a little bit about your journey with the working mom happiness method. So can you just tell us a little bit about some of the pain points and struggles you are having as a busy working mom that sort of led you to reaching out to to take the programmer, what were you going through at that point?
I was, the program has a whole section in my book where I even shared a journal entry from the time I kind of didn't even mean to when I started outlining book chapters, I ended up using a number of either social media posts or journal entries, therapy notes, all sorts of things. But I have a journal entry that really speaks to just how super overwhelmed I was feeling at the time. And I don't use that agitated, like, overwhelmed lightly, I really was struggling, I just felt my nervous system was dysregulated all the time, I was still in graduate school full time, I was Taane. In that graduate program, thinking I should probably start thinking about how I'm gonna eventually pay off all these student loans I took out to finish graduate school, and teaching kindergarten full time, which was this is now we just returned after quarantine. And so I had in person students, I had students who were online, just trying to meet these really brand new and different demands in the K 12. setting. So it was a lot. And then my three kids, right primary caregiving, three, three kids is a full time job in and of itself. So I was just spread really thin, and then filling incredibly, and this is maybe where we get into the intersection of like divorce and balance and working moms. And I was feeling really guilty at having got divorced at how it stressed these, you know, primarily financial resources that I couldn't keep up with kind of the demands in my, you know, personal life, professional life everywhere. I was just struggling to, like, make it all work.
I mean, all the things seriously, like, I just think about, even if we just like rattle them off, working three kids, single mom at the time, Master's degree TAing. Great. And then you know, the things that don't even come up, which is like the cleaning and the cooking and the chauffeuring, right. I know that some of your kids participate in very competitive sports where you're doing carpools, and you're balancing like, all those things that you know, don't even come up as like the big categories, but really are big and in themselves. And I just know that so many women can relate to that. And working moms can relate to that just feeling that overwhelm and that exhaustion and just the amount of things that we juggle in our lives. It's overwhelm whelming, and it's exhausting. So I've been there. I mean, I can't say that I've been there from a single mom perspective, I haven't I've never had school on top of all that while being a mom being single mom. So I can't say that I've been there. But I know that feeling of burnout, overwhelm and exhaustion. And it's just, it's just not the way we want to live our lives. I mean, I know that said, like, super simply, but it's just not. So you can't live your best happy life when you're feeling that way. So I would love it if you would share some of the tools that helped you to get through that time and make some changes that you learned from taking the program like what are the biggest things that come to mind for you.
It's so many. It's even when the whole exercise of kind of writing out all the takeaways, and really how this program influenced and honestly changed my life was really helpful to kind of process it out in writing. But also, if I back up even further, something that I've learned, just throughout divorce, and parenting and getting older, is the importance of reaching out and obtaining support when I know I need it. And we have actually a mutual friend who really connected me with you, Katie, I was talking to her and just sharing how just stressful that time of life was and needing to make a plan. And this isn't sustainable. Right? Something needed to be done. So yes, this mutual friend said, Hey, I have a friend referring to Katie, who's working on this program for working moms to help with balance to help with all these things. So that's how I initially came to make that I didn't know I was the first but to make that first phone call. I don't think you'd even advertised it anywhere. I really just called and was like, Hey, I heard you might be offering something like this and we agreed that I needed it. But yes, getting back right the takeaways and they were things that was so interesting and so good for me because in hindsight, I'm like, I think I knew these things, but did I know these things? First Things like really coming to understand and genuinely believes I have any value and worth, right not dependent on what I can do for others not contingent on anything I do or don't accomplish. That
was huge. And can I just can I just pause you on that one? Because I think this is relevant. For those listening, I think that most of us, especially those of us who have been achievers in life, with our careers, and our families, and all of that we're on paper, like our lives look really good, right? I think most of us would say, we do value ourselves. And we do believe that we have value and worth like, I don't I don't think most of us would say no, we don't. But I think the kicker is that we don't act like it. We don't act like we have innate value and worth we, we don't value ourselves enough to act with radical self care and ask for help and really put ourselves first. And that's a big part of of what my program is. Because I used to say, I think I'm a good person. I'm confident about who I am. I would tell you I hated my body. You know, body image is a big part of it, but which is terrible. I mean, you're you live your life in your body, right. But that's a whole nother topic for a whole nother day. But I would have said, I'm pretty confident about myself, and I love myself, but really, I wasn't acting like it. And so there is a difference between thinking you believe it and truly acting like you believe it. And I think that's the key is starting to act like it. Yes,
absolutely. And that was a huge takeaway, right? When I, when I wrote them all out. I'm like, I've always haven't I always thought this. But the difference was, did I act like it? Did I practice it? Did I genuinely understand those things? Yes. So for sure. Along those lines, another same thing that I would have claimed, I've always believed but not necessarily practicing it is I am responsible for my own life and happiness. We talked a lot about, yes, others might enhance it. But that is something that can't be outsourced. That we are just responsible for ourselves. And then this might be you can you can tell me if this is too much of a tangent, but I remember in our whole values module, right, you didn't give any instruction, just trying to get clear on our values. The only thing you instructed was list yourself first. And I was super uncomfortable with that. Even got on a phone call with you. Because I'm like, well, that's just inaccurate. I'm not that's No, my kids are going first. Right? And we had a really good talk.
Yes. And I have had that exact conversation with I would say nearly every single one of the women who's taken my program, it is so hard for us, because we've actually been taught by our society that it's wrong, like morally wrong, to prioritize yourself or put yourself above your your kids. And that doesn't mean that if your kid got into an emergency, you wouldn't drop everything and go to them like of course we would. But in general, absolutely, we can and should, I don't like shoulds. But this is one show that I believe in, we should be putting ourselves at the top of our priority list even over our children because the cliche is true, you're going to be a better mom to them if you prioritize yourself, but I do remember that talk and the other talk that I remember from you specifically even though we're coming up on four years ago was affirmations you felt like you were lying to yourself to remember that we because as a reminder, in my program for those listening if you if you haven't taken the program or or if you don't remember it for affirmations, in my program, you write a goal as if you've already achieved it. So like the the example that's easy to use is you could write I have $5 million in my bank account. And that's not what everybody wants. It's just an easy example. And so obviously, that's a lie like you don't have $5 million in your bank account. So if you read that every morning, technically it's a lie, but it's really meant to trick your subconscious program you're really kind of just lying to that little subconscious program that believes whatever you tell it and if you read something over and over again every day your subconscious will start to believe it and then you'll start to act like a person who actually does have the 5 million you'll start to making more choices that make you more money and you could apply that to any sort of goal in your life but and we had that talk right but you were like this feels like I'm just lying to myself and I was like well you are but it's it's to trick that subconscious into reprogramming itself basically yeah,
yes and what an awesome full circle moment because on my still on my best life document I have that affirmation like I've written my divorce story, right?
I know you are I just got shot many years like literally and you did it. You did it's done a wild
it's crazy. It is but that's been on there. For the past, right, nearly four years, and that felt like incongruent at the time, right? So I'm like, I'm, I'm never going to do that. When am I ever going to do this? Yes.
That's why this stuff works. It works. Yeah, you read it every morning. And, and I say this a million times my programs, small consistent actions done over long periods of time, change your life reach your goals. And that's exactly what happened here. It's going to take longer than you think. But if you look at it, most mornings, you will do it. It's, it's crazy, right? Yes.
It's amazing.
I love that so much. I know. I do, too. I love that. Okay, was there anything else? Sorry, I keep interrupting you, because I get so excited about these things. But was there anything else I would add?
Something that program really helped me with setting and honoring boundaries, both with myself and others. And just understanding that that's key, really key to protecting my time and energy. And then it also allowed me again, in the context of divorce and co parenting and work that I've done with an uncoupling coach as well helped me really distinguish, like, the difference between right boundaries, and then, well, I need these boundaries. But what are also gestures of goodwill that I truly can afford, right and understanding. All right, this don't call this a boundary, if it's just your ego, refusing to grant a gesture of goodwill to your co parent. Anyway, awesome boundary work and helping me recognize like even when the days are, they're still jam packed, right? Like nothing I'm like very little about my actual schedule has changed. But just this, really getting clear on my boundaries, understanding how to spend my time in line with like core values, and then recognizing like, I really am most happy present, and able to experience like just being alive when I'm doing those things, right, when I'm spending my time, in line with values when I am strong on boundaries that protect that kind of time and energy.
That is so beautifully said. And I think it's a great thing to emphasize that you don't have to quit your job, or make massive changes, in order to go from full burnout, exhaustion, overwhelm over to living a fulfilling happy life, like some people do. Some people need to make big changes, like some people are in a toxic place, or an abusive place or, you know, a place where they really have to make a big change, but and they should, and part of my program is empowering them to do that. But for most of us, it is really getting deep in these ways that you're talking about, and bringing them into our lives in almost like smaller ways, for lack of a better way to describe it, where you bring in little ways that you're you're spending your time in the ways that align with your values versus making massive changes, if that makes sense. Yes. And
I think a large part of that, too, is probably just even the subtle shifts in mindset. Because some of like that stress just worrying about, right maybe not being available for this for the kids, or I forgot this or I missed this. You can spend so much just mental energy, stressing over those things. Like I still, if we kind of go back to that discussion we had about I wanted to list my kids first right on our values, outline. And I can still remember things you said to me that really I still remind myself of to this day, right? You asked me like, Well, would you ever want you really used my powerful love for kids, like all of us are powerful upper kids to prove or demonstrate this point of? Like, would you ever want your kids to grow up and value something or someone else more than themselves? Like, what do you want them to understand and believe about who's accountable for them who's accountable for their lives for their happiness, and that they need to see adults, they need to see their parents, they need to see their mom model that so that they can learn how to pursue their best lives. And that's what we want, ultimately for them already. Yes.
I love it. It's such a good little mindset trick, right? Yeah, I love that. I love that so much. Okay, I know that you took away a lot, but I would really rather talk about your book. Is that okay? So excited for you to share more about your book. So, so maybe just tell us like, I would love to hear the story from the beginning because a lot of people have have a dream to write a book or do some big piece of work like that. And so I think that people might find it interesting to just hear like, you know, what point did you know you need to write it and then how did you get started and tell us a little bit about the process and then I would also love to hear from More about the book itself and what's in it. And maybe you can even share, you know, some of the key themes that would be helpful for people right now who are listening. Okay.
Yes, thank you. So talking the timeline kind of thing, just for some background, I got divorced March of 2018. So I just passed, what, six years, six years ago. And then by the time I started the program was fall of 2020. Right. So those two years I'll kind of talk about the book deciding to write a book about it. So happened somewhere in those two years. I think after the first year, post divorce, my former husband and I were getting tons of questions about our uncoupling about our co parenting relationship. And I 100% acknowledge it's less common that we're more the exception than the rule. And I mean, all those questions like how do you do it? How have you been so civil? How do you collaborate in these capacities? How, right and try to answer these, like, I ended up writing a book, honestly, it's kind of what happened, people would tell me, you should write about this experience, you should write about kind of what it took. So it really is just so much of the how, and the hard to uncouple. Really, with grace and gratitude is where the title came from. I was fortunate myself to again, going back to I will that is one thing, I will reach out and get help when I when I know I need it when I know it is affecting the quality of my relationships with kids with it's affecting my ability to just right show up day to day and the responsibilities I need to. So I found an uncoupling coach, in the very earliest stages of our divorce, who really was instrumental in helping me navigate such a heavy and difficult chapter. And she encouraged just at the very beginning of our separating, to set this joint intention. And I again, I'm so fortunate for a co parent who is willing to agree to this right to be able to have these hard conversations, even when we couldn't stand to be speaking to each other could have these hard conversations. And so we did set this joint intention to write protect the kids, no matter what, like they, it's never kids responsibility to hold adult emotions, pain, rage, whatever it is that we would filter behavior, comments, just filter everything kind of through this question, how will this affect our family, and just really prioritize our kids health and development like social, emotional, mental, spiritual, just protect them through massive change to the family, right, very life changing for everyone, something they didn't, wouldn't have chose themselves right at the time. And that we were just going to, yeah, prioritize that. And over six years later, we still share that intention of the kids being protected from any like, negative, scary, divorce things as much as possible. Right? There's, there's it's part of their story now, too, right. And it's our job to help them integrate that fact of their life. Right. My parents got divorced when I was nine when I was seven, when I was four, like that is their reality. But we're the adults that can help them. Yeah. Really, just what does that mean? Right? Yeah. And moving forward, and I'm still safe. I'm still loved. I'm still we're still a family. So yes, there's so much and so many questions that came, came up with regards to just our conduct through all of that. And I started sharing some on like my private Instagram account, I would share a little bit about the divorce story. Again, I journaled quite a bit. Running and writing have always been pretty central, like self care and coping strategies for me. So I ended up with lots of journals about it notes that I took through my own uncoupling coaching sessions. And so somewhere, right in that kind of couple of years post divorce, I realized I had a bit of an outline already just in the writing. I had put down somewhere. And so yeah, I don't even know when I, honestly I do. I do kind of know, I take that back, it was very recently that I decided I'd actually move forward and like publish the book. I never knew, right, I always knew I wanted to write, like, on my best life document, I'm gonna write my divorce story, I'm gonna write down a lot of this. And it was a huge, just amazing exercise and healing anyway, so it would have been very worthwhile if it was only ever for me and never left my Google Drive. So yeah, and it's still scary. I think I finally shared it with enough people. I trust like friends, that I trust a shared pieces. And I had it professionally like edited and proof read. And just, I don't know, finally somewhere got brave, that I was going to share it more widespread. Yeah,
I love that. Well, and I think that drives home to things that we cover in the working mom happiness method, which is messy action, you know, I love the term, see action, right. And that and messy action is you doing your journaling and writing things down. And then you you just set it you sort of already had an outline like it's crazy how how things like that can happen, where you when you were writing things, you weren't deliberately writing or consciously writing them to become an outline for your book. But like, that's messy action, you were writing things down, and then eventually you were able to convert that into like an outline, and then obviously, ultimately, a book. So I love that as an example of messy action. And then the other thing that we talk a lot about in the program is ready is a decision, not a feeling right in
the book we talked. So I put that in there. That's it applies, like such a reoccurring theme of Yeah, well, the book of life in general, but it absolutely is of divorce of yes, yeah,
it's a decision. It's not a feeling. So I you know, I hear you saying somewhere along the line, you decided to publish it. And that's a decision, you probably still don't feel ready. I mean, you're probably still I probably wouldn't ever hear it. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yes.
You know, I love that so much. That's even something I talk about in the book, I remember reflecting on just going through it writing it, but I don't think anyone and now even since I've ended up talking to a number of people and been, you know, privileged to support some individuals in their own through their own separation or divorce, and I don't know that anyone ever feels ready to get divorced. I don't think you ever feel ready to have that talk with your kids. So you don't feel ready to take right, your wedding ring off for the last time. Like there's countless things you just will never feel ready for. But understanding that life moves forward and requires decisions. And I love that reminder. And it's come up. Yeah, so often. I'm so glad you remember to say that. Oh, well. I
see it as a decision to value yourself and put yourself first and a decision to put yourself on the path to a better life, eventually your best life. It's it's a decision that you're making to do that. And that's terrifying. And you will probably never like you said feel ready. It's just it's that's the decision you're making. Right? Yes.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay.
Well, thank you for sharing that and the journey. So is there are there any sort of themes or tips from the book that you would like to share with folks listening now? If they're considering divorce or going through a divorce that maybe just like, one of the big themes or you know, obviously, people can get all the details from the book, and we're going to talk about that in a minute how to get it in when it's coming out. But is there anything you would share today? Yes.
And this and I have disclaimers in the book, of course, like I very purposely when I did decide to move forward with like publishing and sharing, chose to publish this. It's a memoir. Right, not a self help book, although I do provide just lots of insight and tools, resources just through the context of my own story. And with so many, I don't think anyone's hurting for anecdotes of varying divorce stories. We see it it's prevalent enough that I do believe it's generalizable and there will be things that are very relatable to anyone, wherever you are on this divorce journey, deciding if to get divorced, exploring that really delicate co parenting like this just countless decisions, countless discussions to be had. And it's a lot like that aftermath that first year especially it's, it's a lot, it's heavy, I would say reach out and get support through all of that so that you can look back, I mean, there will come and I've yet to talk to anybody post divorce, who disagrees, like there will come a day that you are so painfully aware of your conduct through that phase. And that phases. That's a rough one, right? You're being asked to make these huge decisions about, like finances and what to do with the home and questions of custody. Like, these aren't like small questions or discussions, and you're being asked to do all this, when, really, it feels like your worlds just falling apart. It's not like you're in this really healthy, stable headspace and able to tackle these big decisions from, you know, a really secure spot. So it's just a lot, I would say, have a lot of self compassion for yourself, and all that you're going through, and then also make these important decisions to prioritize kids, if that applies, to try and get through such a big change, like disruption to all these plans, right? It's the death of so many dreams. But how can you get through this in a way that, like, not just survive, but you're able to really thrive? Afterward as well? Right? Like, what does that look like? Moment to moment day to day?
Yep. And I think that we're not good at that. We're just not, especially as women we are taught by society that our value and worth lies in how we look and how we take care of all those around us, right? And so be it. That's not true. That's BS, right? Our value is innate, like we talked about before, but we have subconscious programs that make us believe that our value comes from taking care of everyone else, not asking others to take care of us, right. And that's the permission we have to give ourselves that's the permission that you you are giving to women who may be going through this. Also men who may be going through this anyone to really have that courage to ask for help, you are worth somebody helping and taking care of you, as you go through, like you said, it's going to be quite possibly the toughest time of your life, right, like probably likely the toughest time of your life. And I love that it's a memoir, I love that you describe it as it's not, you know, you're not giving like specific self help advice. It's a memoir, because I personally learn much better and find it much more interesting. Like it holds my attention more to hear somebody's personal story. And I can feel so inspired. And inspired is definitely way but also sitting in sadness with somebody else. I think it's a really effective way to heal and process your feelings. And so I appreciate that you were vulnerable to share your specific story. And I do think that's going to help so many others, just from an experience in that way through you and through your experience.
Oh, thank you. I hope so.
Yeah, I really do you think so. So, before we tell people where they can find the book when and when it's going to be released? Is there anything else you want? Anything else that you haven't shared that you'd like to share about the book?
I am super grateful. And so I talk about these throughout the book, I call them wreck and rescue moments. Like I have things I come across. Maybe it's something I've read something I've heard on a podcast, something an experience. I've had something somebody said to me where I'm just like initially, like both wrecks you and rescue rescues you. Right. Some people call them maybe like aha moments or turning points or anyways, I've started calling them these wreck and rescue moments, which that's funny. It's easier to type than to say.
I love that wreck. It wrecks you and rescues you. I love that.
Yes. And I found anyway, so just come across a number of these. I've tried to include those things in the story. And I had one of those just listening to NPR the other day, just like serendipitously enough. I've been really scared now that the books in book production, right? It's going to be out there. It's scary. I can't I find myself like I can't stop thinking of sections that like somebody's going to disagree with or hate or that's going to be offensive and I really I would never want anybody to be stuck in this place of feeling like regret or my words to be somehow weaponized against. Anyways, all that to say I've been I've been overthinking it. But there was an author on NPR who had written a memoir and now I feel bad because I can't. I can't remember his name. But he talked about memoirs in any story sharing and really write any story sharing that we do. If you just think that like this story, the reality of that story is just this block of wood. In reality, it's this block of wood. And if I go back to these experiences into that story, I'm going to carve out something, right. So this whole memoir, it's something carved out of that block of wood. And if my former husband were to go to that same block of wood, he would carve out something different. Yeah, my kids could go back in there, whatever they carve out would look different. And at the end of the day, what you have carved out what you've written down. Is that, Phil, can you live with that? Right? Does that feel true to you? Is that your anyway? And that was so powerful, because I just realized, I'm like, This is my latest book is my carving out of right, that block of divorce? What if I can say that? And
it's yeah, it's your art. It's your creation? Yeah. Yeah. And just
that it's been also so reckoned rescuing, to see my family to see my former husband to see my kids be. So they've understood that this project matters to me, they've encouraged me to share it. Never one's asking if what I share is, like accurate or fair, anything, they've all been nothing but supportive, which has been, like, one of my favorite takeaways so far, is that they've just trusted me that this is something that mattered to me, and like, go for it mom, or go for amazing, right? Especially Oh, that was one more thing I was gonna say. And I know people, right might define these things differently. And I am like, by definition, a single parent. Right, my former husband's a single parent. But he's also I've come to really appreciate I feel like a huge distinction where I do have an incredible co parent, right? I have so much support, he drives some of the carpools, he is a very engaged, dad. And anyway, I feel like we've reached this place of neither of us feeling like a single parent. Okay, but that's taken years, but he's so present in our kids lives that it's been interesting, like, just over the years, I've found myself feeling less aligned with a single parent, even if the demands are more, but
I haven't heard that in that way before. That's the first time I've ever heard that described that way. And I think that's beautiful. And, and like you mentioned at the beginning, that might be somewhat rare. But I think that's it's a great thing to strive towards. And I think that it's a great way to describe it. I love that. And then going back to what you said right before that is well about, you know, the sort of over analysis and who am I going to offend and then you know, this is your block of wood, and you have all of your family support. And this ties exactly to you know, one of my faves Hyla, high intention, low attachment, you know, I always want to link in a high, low moment. And I know Meg has really embraced this and taught it to, you know, I know your kids, you've taught it to you yes, it's now a neon sign in my new house in the living room. So when you come I'll show it to you. I know you haven't seen my new house yet, but I'll show you Oh, I can't. It's like it's a neon sign on the wall. But the way I see this as Haila is you created this with the highest and best of intentions, like just beautiful intentions, healing intentions, aligned with your family, like your family knew you were doing it. And we know with Hyla that's all we can do. And after we've done something with our highest and best of intentions, and we've put our all into and done our best we have to have low attachment to the outcome. And in this case, I see that as low attachment to like if there are people who take it in the wrong way or have offense to it that's really more sort of on them it really doesn't have anything to do with you but it's just that's such a great highlight moment that you did it anyway you push past that fear, you're you're technically are detaching, you're having a little anxiety about the outcome, but you you have detached from the outcome just through the act of publishing it, which I think is really amazing. Yes,
I love that you brought up highlight do love Isla and I love Katie's also talk to one of my daughters about it who is she's so self aware and she's so wise but she is hilarious with Hyla because anyway, so be like she has a hard time with it just like I am also highly attached to the outcome mom,
but that awareness is the first step right that is the first step knowing We call that what we call that high, high, high, high attachment, high intention, high attachment. And yes, she's she's a very successful athlete. And that is really common the high Ha, that really, really, if they can get to the high love, that's where they break through. It's really it's really cool. But it's so
liberating, right, like, so liberating and so empowering that, yes, even if I am, right, it's still like, that's where I am. It's tempting to be the right I attached to the outcome. Yeah. And then just the permission. And that's another small consistent action over time, right, the more I just remember like, oh, right, I can give myself permission to Yeah, right. Set that attachment down to like, let go. And it's so empowering.
Yes. Beautiful. I love that. Well, thank you, for sure. I'm really glad you shared all of that. Okay, so wonderful. Tell us where and when we can buy the book and where we can find you like, is it on social media or a website? Just let everybody know, that would be great. And I'll put it in the show in the show notes as well. Okay,
thank you. So yes, and this is all brand new, make Campbell coaching.com will be the website shortly. May Campbell cocina. On Instagram, I'm already there. And then the book will be available for purchase on Amazon, early June. If anyone is interested in being part of a launch team, still learning how this works. But it will be available mid May, is kind of like a soft launch, if pretty much you have to agree to leave me a review, to get it early to leave the book review. So that's mid May, but otherwise, just fully available early June. And yeah, I can't wait amazing what else was like,
That's it. That's it was that. That's exactly perfect. And I'll have that in the show notes just so they have the spelling correct of the website and your Instagram. And I'm sure they can message you on Instagram if they want to be part of the launch team, which is perfect. And then what I love to end with for all of my guests on my podcast is would you be willing to share with us what is your definition of happiness?
Yes, my definition of happiness is presence and connection. I am most happy when and this is where the whole program was so instrumental in just letting me return to being present. Right when I can be present with if I'm watching my girls tumble or listening to my son's music, I feel so connected to them. And that is happiness. And I think when we're living in that kind of state, or some people call it that kind of flow where you are present and connected, then it sets you up, I think to ideally right leave your little sphere of influence better than you found it and kind of participate productively in this whole marvelous existence. I think that's happiness. Yay.
Oh, wow. So beautifully said thank you for sharing that. Thank you for coming on today. massive congratulations on the book. I am personally so excited to read it and be a part of the launch team. I cannot wait. So just thank you and good luck. And thanks, everybody for joining and for listening. And we'll see in the next episode. Thanks so much.
Thanks, Katie.
Thanks so much for listening to the working mom happiness method. If you liked what you heard, please be sure to subscribe, leave a review and share it with others who might benefit from listening for show notes or to enroll in the working mom happiness method coaching courses, visit www dot women's best life university.com